時間

北京時間 2004年3月19日10:00-12:00

演講人

溫伯格(Gerald Weinberg)。對軟體業影響巨大的幾個人之一。

主持人

熊妍妍，溫伯格中文網站負責人

章柏幸，溫伯格叢書譯者

聲音記錄

網盤下載(56M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=72882&uk=1795750932

UMLChina早期的很多專家講座是通過越洋電話舉行，所以音質和後來的講座相比稍差。

部分譯文

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聊天記錄

(09:09:22)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:hi

(09:09:47)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:大家好

(09:10:02)*wangz_bpusei與mmm說:你好

(09:15:18)*wangz_bpusei與mmm說:我怎麼聽不見。

(09:16:06)*wangz_bpusei與[*umlchina_seminar]說:我怎麼聽不見

(09:16:28)UpbeatJason與所有人說:今天的講座繼續嗎？

(09:16:28)*wangz_bpusei與[*umlchina_seminar]說:你在說話麼？

(09:17:27)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:不知道，等著吧

(09:17:40)UpbeatJason與所有人說:呵呵

(09:24:21)*bebraveh與所有人說:有人在說話嗎

(09:24:57)*bebraveh與所有人說:我怎麼聽不見聲音

(09:25:44)*shiningxyy與所有人說:來了

(09:27:52)*shiningxyy與所有人說:聽不見，是噪音

(09:31:53)paul與所有人說:no voice

(09:33:43)edge與所有人說:hi

(09:33:54)*shiningxyy與所有人說:現在什麼聲音都沒有了

(09:37:19)infantawake與所有人說:偶像還沒來？

(09:37:33)infantawake與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！

(09:37:45)delson與所有人說:噓

(09:37:59)infantawake與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！

(09:38:32)mmm與所有人說:Can you hear me?

(09:38:37)paul與所有人說:no

(09:38:45)paul與mmm說:no

(09:38:59)paul與mmm說:no voice

(09:39:07)mmm與所有人說:music，you can't hear?

(09:39:13)paul與mmm說:yes

(09:39:23)paul與mmm說:nothing.

(09:41:45)mmm與所有人說:how about now?

(09:41:59)paul與mmm說:no voice

(09:42:05)mmm與所有人說:Thanks

(09:44:47)*陳祖昭與所有人說:???

(09:45:19)*陳祖昭與delson說:你好

(09:47:35)paul與所有人說:how to test my mic.

(09:47:40)yl_tfc與所有人說:大家好

(09:48:52)paul與[*umlchina_seminar]說:can u hear me? )

(09:49:44)yl_tfc與所有人說:請問每次講課的錄音有下載的嗎

(09:49:59)UpbeatJason與所有人說:有人說話嗎？

(09:50:42)UpbeatJason與所有人說:我沒有麥克

(09:52:27)UpbeatJason與所有人說:總算有點聲音了

(09:56:19)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:怎麼沒有聲音？

(09:56:26)*Televigation與所有人說:現在有聲音嗎？

(09:56:41)*Televigation與所有人說:有的話，是什麼？

(09:56:43)heroxn與所有人說:no voice

(09:58:02)delson與所有人說:是不是沒聲音！？

(09:58:12)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:嘉賓馬上就到

(09:58:16)*Televigation與所有人說:反正我是沒有聽到什麼。

(09:58:25)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:沒有聲音。

(09:58:37)UpbeatJason與所有人說:有

(09:58:50)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:什麼聲音？

(09:59:05)*shiningxyy與所有人說:好像是因為沒有外掛

(09:59:08)*Televigation與[*umlchina_seminar]說:現在到底有聲音嗎？

(09:59:17)*shiningxyy與所有人說:不知道是怎麼一回事

(09:59:38)*陳祖昭與所有人說:外掛沒有顯示出來了！

(09:59:46)*shiningxyy與所有人說:沒有

(09:59:53)*shiningxyy與所有人說:沒有提示我安裝

(10:00:10)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:我裝了外掛，怎麼還是沒有聲音？

(10:00:32)UpbeatJason與*wangz_bpusei說:開啟語音

(10:00:57)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:打開了，還是沒有聲。

(10:01:05)*shiningxyy與所有人說:有人說話嗎？

(10:01:10)*Televigation與UpbeatJason說:對，我也沒有。

(10:01:19)*Televigation與UpbeatJason說:沒聲音~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(10:01:21)*shiningxyy與所有人說:大家有沒有聽到有人說話的聲音？

(10:01:22)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:沒有吧

(10:01:42)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:test

(10:02:19)*flybean與所有人說:test

(10:02:35)*Televigation與所有人說:test什麼阿？！聲音嗎？

(10:02:40)UpbeatJason與*wangz_bpusei說:現在沒有人說話吧？

(10:03:05)*wangz_bpusei與UpbeatJason說:沒有。

(10:03:08)*shiningxyy與所有人說:seminar說句話test一下吧

(10:04:00)VoiceOfWeinberg與所有人說:正在與專家溝通，請稍後

(10:04:21)*Televigation與中仙說:你有病阿？！

(10:04:58)VoiceOfWeinberg與所有人說:專家好像登入不進，嘗試中

(10:05:22)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:.....

(10:05:55)[email protected]與所有人說:怎麼沒有聲音？

(10:06:11)*陳祖昭與中仙說:滾！

(10:06:38)*shiningxyy與所有人說:踢他出去

(10:06:39)*Televigation與所有人說:把“中仙”踏出去！！！！！！！！！！！！！

(10:06:50)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:怎麼回事？

(10:07:04)*Televigation與所有人說:這個人是來搗亂的！！！！

(10:07:15)*flybean與所有人說:any voice?

(10:07:42)*ron2k與中仙說:你在這裡不受歡迎，還是自己離開吧

(10:08:13)edge與*ron2k說:hi,ron

(10:08:35)*bebraveh與所有人說:Did seminar begin?

(10:08:45)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:到底行不行呀？

(10:08:47)*shiningxyy與所有人說:沒有，seminar正與weinberg交流，等一會

(10:09:00)infantawake與所有人說:偶像呀

(10:09:10)*ron2k與edge說:Nice to meet you

(10:09:20)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:那也給一點聲音呀。

(10:09:26)infantawake與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！ｙｅａｈ！

(10:09:28)*shiningxyy與所有人說:有聲音

(10:09:31)*bebraveh與*ron2k說:hi,ron

(10:09:43)infantawake與所有人說:聆聽大師的聲音

(10:09:43)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:稍等一會

(10:10:01)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:誰能聽見聲音？

(10:10:05)*flybean與所有人說:yes

(10:10:21)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:還有誰？

(10:10:33)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:我怎麼聽不見？

(10:10:36)*bebraveh與所有人說:I can't wait any longer

(10:12:04)*flybean與所有人說:Sorry, I cound not hear the saying,just notice that a new message comes

(10:12:42)*wangz_bpusei與*flybean說:什麼都聽不見。

(10:12:51)infantawake與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！

(10:13:01)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！

(10:13:02)*flybean與所有人說:delayed?

(10:13:09)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:welcome，professor

(10:13:09)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:專家到了，大家歡迎

(10:13:15)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:JerryWeinberg]

(10:13:19)yl_tfc與所有人說:歡迎歡迎

(10:13:31)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！溫仔！

(10:13:34)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:please speak english

(10:13:35)*flybean與所有人說:welcome.

(10:13:50)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:welcome

(10:14:09)*flybean與所有人說:to umlchina : any font color defined?

(10:14:48)*flybean與所有人說:Ok , some voice

(10:14:54)*shiningxyy與所有人說:welcome

(10:14:57)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:no?

(10:15:05)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:no voice ?

(10:15:07)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JerryWeinberg說:yes, we can hear!

(10:15:12)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes

(10:15:18)*flybean與所有人說:yes, got

(10:15:20)*陳祖昭與所有人說:yeah

(10:15:26)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes, i can hear weinberg's voice

(10:16:20)*flybean與所有人說:a little louder, plz

(10:16:51)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes there are a lot of questions about uml.

(10:17:11)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:no voice

(10:17:24)*shiningxyy與所有人說:開啟語音

(10:18:06)*shiningxyy與所有人說:現在weinberg在回答網友問的幾個問題

(10:18:19)*shiningxyy與所有人說:大家現在就可以提自己關心的問題了

(10:18:53)*shiningxyy與所有人說:可以先考慮一下，然後發到講座室裡

(10:20:29)*shiningxyy與所有人說:如果大家覺得有噪音，可以把音量稍微開小一點

(10:21:08)*citizen2yy與所有人說:hi

(10:21:15)*shiningxyy與所有人說:first topic： UML language

(10:21:22)*shiningxyy與所有人說:welcome

(10:21:30)*citizen2yy與所有人說:I am sorry that i am later..

(10:21:38)*shiningxyy與所有人說:that's ok

(10:21:40)*flybean與所有人說:How to persuade the costumers to give up their unpractical requirments?

(10:23:30)*wangz_bpusei與所有人說:noise

(10:23:46)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes,he is answering the second question

(10:23:54)*shiningxyy與所有人說:flybean's question

(10:24:50)*shiningxyy與所有人說:其他人也可以準備一下自己關心的問題

(10:27:59)*flybean與所有人說:Often costumers choice some products themself, and maybe the products could not mee

(10:28:13)*flybean與所有人說:meet the requirments of the project, how todo?

(10:29:46)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:Excuse me professor,are there some signs -

(10:29:53)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:to show that customers aren't telling the true requirements?

(10:30:01)*citizen2yy與[*umlchina_seminar]說:hi,please cancel 宜芬

(10:30:10)*citizen2yy與[*umlchina_seminar]說:she is a flger

(10:30:44)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:i can not hear anything

(10:30:49)*flybean與所有人說:Here, costumers often want pay less and ask for more.

(10:31:25)*flybean與所有人說:and often what they pay is less than what need to run the project

(10:32:32)*shiningxyy與所有人說:welcome gigix

(10:32:44)gigix與所有人說:聽不見聲音，我就看看大家聊吧

(10:32:47)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:so the Uncertainty is a sign

(10:34:23)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:in this damn netbar no msn software installed

(10:35:09)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:it's ok. you can send out the questions.

(10:35:29)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:Thank you very much

(10:35:51)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:can you hear weinberg's sound?

(10:36:14)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:yet, but not so clear. how about you

(10:36:25)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:i can not hear anything

(10:37:01)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:開啟語音，按鈕變成全雙工

(10:38:14)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: How can I know I finish my requirement modeling?

(10:39:15)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:yes,大家可以問問題了，直接在這裡發訊息

(10:39:26)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes,大家可以問問題了，直接在這裡發訊息

(10:39:41)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:thx, I know how to open, but the damn computer does not surport me.

(10:40:55)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:我就做一個聾子。

(10:41:17)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:對。你就聾子吧。不過可以問問題。

(10:41:51)*mountainwang與所有人說:can we say the requirement collection and analyzing process could be independant to OO methodology?

(10:46:50)*shiningxyy與所有人說:some readers told me that your system thinking and design books are a little bit hard to read.

(10:48:18)delson與所有人說:sorry

(10:48:26)delson與所有人說:I've just come in

(10:49:04)*shiningxyy與所有人說:could you pls give them some instruction on how to read and study the two books.

(10:49:19)*shiningxyy與所有人說:it's ok, delson

(10:52:23)*shiningxyy與所有人說:also, among many of your books published, which book do you like best, and why?

(10:53:42)PAUL與[*umlchina_seminar]說:why? )

(10:54:15)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:Could you tell us some stories of how you formed your thoughts(in your books)?

(10:54:21)*shiningxyy與所有人說:how do you identify and analysis the customers' requirement(readers' requirement)?

(10:54:48)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:how you come to think this way, and not other ways?

(10:56:53)[*umlchina_seminar]與*lijin_as說:大家請把右下角的麥克風音量調到最低，以免影響嘉賓，謝謝

(10:58:13)UpbeatJason與所有人說:????

(10:58:18)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:大家等等

(10:58:24)*shiningxyy與所有人說:大家等一下

(10:58:38)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:嘉賓不小心結束通話了

(10:59:13)*shiningxyy與所有人說:大家現在還可以想一些問題

(10:59:44)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JerryWeinberg說:professor, The line connection break, please pick up again

(10:59:47)*JerryWeinberg與所有人說:We got cut off. Can you call me again, please?

(11:00:02)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JerryWeinberg說:1 minute

(11:00:12)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JerryWeinberg說:busy line?

(11:04:31)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: How can I apply "exploring requirement" to my daily life.

(11:04:39)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:Or help more people?

(11:05:01)PAUL與所有人說:Design another real world, resolve the problem of our human being.

(11:06:39)*citizen2yy與所有人說:溫伯格首要的貢獻集中於軟體領域，他是從個體心理、組織行為和企業文化角度研究軟體管理和軟體工程的權威和代表人物。

(11:06:41)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:Maybe sometimes the developers and the customers are foreigners to each other(kidding)

(11:07:29)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: My experience is: after the prototype,

(11:07:51)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:the client just really know what he need, it is too late….

(11:07:54)PAUL與所有人說:a movie named the thirteenth floor. hehe

(11:09:21)whxiaoyong與所有人說:hi

(11:09:34)*citizen2yy與所有人說:In the book "are your lights on?", Jerry told us One seldom know what they want until

(11:09:42)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:heh

(11:09:55)*citizen2yy與所有人說:you (the designer) give them the right thing.

(11:10:15)*citizen2yy與所有人說:then, my question is,

(11:10:39)*rachel_33546716與所有人說:technology is worthless-even dangerous-if we don't pay atten to the human aspects of both its use

(11:10:44)*citizen2yy與所有人說:how to figout those requirement that custom don't know

(11:14:11)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: How can I know I finish my requirement modeling?

(11:15:00)*citizen2yy與所有人說:wwh's problem was fitted in the book "exploring requirement".

(11:15:12)*citizen2yy與所有人說:chapter 25. end.

(11:15:21)*citizen2yy與所有人說::)

(11:15:57)*shiningxyy與*citizen2yy說:it's seems that you are becoming an expert on exploring requirement.:)

(11:17:08)*citizen2yy與所有人說:Jerry has give us some advice about end the requirement state.

(11:18:25)*shiningxyy與所有人說:how to become a good requirement engineer?

(11:19:05)*citizen2yy與所有人說:Requirement will never finished until the development(product) be canceled.

(11:19:26)*rachel_33546716與所有人說:up

(11:21:25)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] : which artifacts are necessary in requirement discipline(requirement process?)

(11:21:47)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:Paul Qu: Can you give me your opinion about software craftsmanship(Pete McBreen)?

(11:23:04)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:citizen2yy是溫伯格書籍譯者章柏幸，他去年譯的《你的燈亮著嗎》獲得中文書大獎。

(11:23:35)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:章柏幸同時也是《探索需求》的譯者

(11:23:36)*citizen2yy與[*umlchina_seminar]說:什麼中文書大獎？我還不知道呢？ )

(11:23:59)delson與所有人說:崇敬之

(11:24:02)*rachel_33546716與*citizen2yy說:啊，幸會幸會

(11:24:19)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yet. the chinese version of this book will soon be published in one or two month.

(11:24:45)*shiningxyy與所有人說:should be "yes"

(11:24:59)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:in china?

(11:25:29)*shiningxyy與所有人說:no, in usa

(11:25:41)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:the jboss

(11:27:12)*rachel_33546716與*citizen2yy說:take care,prof.

(11:27:41)*shiningxyy與所有人說:we give our deep thanks to prof.

(11:28:03)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: have you ever been to china and will you come to China?

(11:28:33)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:Thanks Jerry.

(11:28:35)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:how do you comment on China markets in software development?

(11:29:58)*rachel_33546716與*citizen2yy說:sorry,it's fault to say u.

(11:29:59)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes. Prof weinberg likes Chinese culture very much.

(11:30:32)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:and Chinese Medicine.

(11:30:41)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:Welcome to China. and I will be very honored to cook Chinese food to you.

(11:30:49)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說::)

(11:31:08)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:Take care of your health prof.

(11:31:22)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:Realy

(11:31:45)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:try the Chinese tea.

(11:31:59)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:Chinese readers are also very interested in your career background. your personal growth in career.

(11:32:06)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:thanks.:)

(11:33:11)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:yes,since you have the experience in programming, training, managing and consulting as well

(11:33:30)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:do you have some effective ways to some shell-like customers(that means they don't like to ask)

(11:33:43)wulifeng與所有人說:ask: Mr. Weinberg, have you found some fitfalls in "exploring req." since it published? thank you!

(11:33:52)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:[email protected] asks: how much is the workload proportion of requirement

(11:34:03)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:in overall software development process?

(11:35:53)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:after the carreer question: which role do you like best personally?

(11:38:16)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:will you suggest programmers to write articles, to give speech? to express their ideas?

(11:38:58)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:when I am exploring the requirement with custom, I find the right requirement is

(11:39:16)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:is not what our product can fit.

(11:39:32)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:then shall we develop a new product?

(11:40:12)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:but a new development will cost much more

(11:42:09)*rachel_33546716與*JerryWeinberg說:prof,do you think it's fit to described for uml of the office software?

(11:43:05)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:we developed a new model of custom-include development. that means one custom pay fot a feature

(11:43:12)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:and got all feature..

(11:43:39)*citizen2yy與*JerryWeinberg說:one pay for 1 feature and get all..

(11:44:09)*rachel_33546716與*JerryWeinberg說:prof，do you think that UML is the right way to describe...

(11:45:20)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:Tool's just tool,so u want to give our spirit.

(11:46:47)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:thanks.

(11:47:54)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:prof,how can we predict the change of requirements in our development process-

(11:48:27)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:and without getting struck in our engineering?

(11:50:40)*shiningxyy與所有人說:最後一個問題吧，已經快到時間了。溫伯格先生該休息一下了，他已經不停的說了2個小時。

(11:51:00)*citizen2yy與*shiningxyy說:give us some advice...:)

(11:52:16)*rachel_33546716對*shiningxyy搖了搖頭:but prof donn't answer my Q:(

(11:52:49)*shiningxyy與所有人說:ok

(11:53:01)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:test

(11:53:10)VoiceOfWeinberg與所有人說:test

(11:53:50)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:rachel_33546716 asks that you haven't answer his question.:)

(11:53:51)PAUL與*rachel_33546716說:any question?

(11:54:12)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:hehe

(11:54:31)*rachel_33546716對*shiningxyy搖了搖頭:prof，do you think that UML is the right way to describe...

(11:56:03)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:yes, Americans encourage making one's own decisions. right.

(11:56:39)*flybean與所有人說:It seems that UML becoming a program language. How about your thought?

(11:58:39)*shiningxyy與所有人說:ok. does there anyone have anymore quesions? time is limited.

(11:59:27)*rachel_33546716對*JerryWeinberg微微一笑:thx!

(11:59:28)VoiceOfWeinberg與*JerryWeinberg說:Yes, thank you very much!

(11:59:35)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:thank you!

(11:59:35)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:thank you. thank you very much! Professsor.

(11:59:36)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:very helpful for me. Thanks.

(11:59:47)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:yes.

(11:59:48)[*umlchina_seminar]與VoiceOfWeinberg說:take care, prof.

(11:59:51)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:thanks

(11:59:56)*shiningxyy與*JerryWeinberg說:see you

(11:59:57)heroxn與所有人說:thanks

(12:00:12)*flybean與所有人說:thanks Weinberg

(12:00:14)*shiningxyy與所有人說:好。講座就到這裡吧

(12:00:19)PAUL與*JerryWeinberg說:Your Chinese is also very professional.

(12:00:26)*shiningxyy與所有人說:我們會把講座資料整理髮布的。

(12:00:34)*rachel_33546716對*JerryWeinberg微微一笑:OK

(12:00:40)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes, especially "xiexie"

(12:00:45)baitu與yl_tfc說:要是有錄音就好了，我沒聽懂幾句

(12:00:55)zhlei163與所有人說:thanks

(12:00:56)baitu與所有人說:要是有錄音就好了，我沒聽懂幾句

(12:01:01)*rachel_33546716對*shiningxyy微微一笑:何時將資料釋出

(12:01:02)*shiningxyy與所有人說:呵呵，努力補習英文把

(12:01:18)zhlei163與所有人說:是呀

(12:01:27)baitu與所有人說:是啊！需要努力。

(12:01:32)*flybean與所有人說:希望有錄音，忙別的事情。大部份沒聽。：（

(12:01:33)*shiningxyy與所有人說:會很快的釋出的。到時通知大家

(12:01:54)*rachel_33546716對*shiningxyy微微一笑:好的，謝謝

(12:01:54)heroxn與*shiningxyy說:thanks

(12:02:16)*shiningxyy與所有人說:我麥克有點問題，不能說話

(12:02:18)heroxn與*shiningxyy說:說話的聲音太模糊了

(12:02:19)PAUL與*shiningxyy說:we want to hear your voice.

(12:02:22)PAUL與*shiningxyy說:hehe

(12:02:28)*shiningxyy與所有人說:呵呵，next time

(12:02:49)*shiningxyy與所有人說:there is something wrong with my mc this moring.

(12:03:01)*rachel_33546716與*shiningxyy說:ok,it's time to lunch.

(12:03:04)陽光與*shiningxyy說:99999

(12:03:12)*rachel_33546716與*shiningxyy說:see u again.

(12:03:28)*shiningxyy與所有人說:yes. wish to meet everyone soon next time:)

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